Kilkenny v Cork - NHL 2010

[stevehoyne09]

ye i think slightly harsh is even an understatement, sum of the performances by this kk team especially in 08
would have beaten any team in any era.

[stevehoyne09]

well there was a piece in the paper today, cody was sayin that mick kavanagh wont return from his break for the game
against cork but he said eddie and power will be in contention 4 it.also said rice will be a doubt after sustaining a hamstring
injury sunday

[RedRebel]

Slightly harsh there Red..i'm sure even you must concede that the team is up there with the greats..

I don't agree. They're the best of a bad lot cause hurling is dying.
Name a team that kk beat in the last 5 years that have 6 good forward? - you'll find you'd be pushed to get as far as 4.

Now look at an earlier era - e.g. late 80's early 90's.
Tipp had forwards like Declan Ryan, John Leahy, Pat Fox, Cormac Bonnar, Nicky English, cork had some Big men like Ger Fitzgerald, Mark Foley, Anthony O'Sullivan, Thomas Mulcahy, Kevin Hennessy, John Fitzgibbon. Look at the kilkeeny team that camo on then in 92-93 John Power, DJ Carey, Fennelly, Delaney & Co.

Each team faced at least 5 dangerous forwards.

Hurling is dying and Kilkenny are capitalising becasue they are the last remaining stonghold.

If anyone wants to prove me wrong, my suggestion is to stop with the heresay of 'any team any era' and show me a team like the ones I've mentioned above that Kilkenny have beat and have 6 dangerous forwards.

[stevehoyne09]

redrebel you kind of contradicted yourself there,your sayin name a team kk av bet in the last 5 yrs that had 6 decent forwards
well thats exactly why this kk team is the greatest of all time cos they are they team that have had the 6 forwards to win them
all irelands..you cant honestly say them forwards tipp and cork had are better not only than the kk forwards of this generation but
from other countys 2..i could name alot of them but id be here 4 the day..like ok fox and english were very classy hurlers..but
come on fitzgibbon foley bonner,there not as good as the forwards around these days..hurling has moved on a fair bit since those
days and they wud not have an impact on today's game as they wud have then.

[Exile]

Which is another reason why I can't understand people calling this current Kilkenny team the greatest of all time, they're simply the best of a bad lot.
Sad but true.

It's amazing that even when talking down Cork you are really just using it as a pretext for another swipe at KK. That's quite the skill you have, I simply can't stand idly by and let you waste such amazing powers when there are so many crimes going unsolved in the country today. GO!GO!

[Maor Uisce]

Slightly harsh there Red..i'm sure even you must concede that the team is up there with the greats..

I don't agree. They're the best of a bad lot cause hurling is dying.
Name a team that kk beat in the last 5 years that have 6 good forward? - you'll find you'd be pushed to get as far as 4.

Now look at an earlier era - e.g. late 80's early 90's.
Tipp had forwards like Declan Ryan, John Leahy, Pat Fox, Cormac Bonnar, Nicky English, cork had some Big men like Ger Fitzgerald, Mark Foley, Anthony O'Sullivan, Thomas Mulcahy, Kevin Hennessy, John Fitzgibbon. Look at the kilkeeny team that camo on then in 92-93 John Power, DJ Carey, Fennelly, Delaney & Co.

Each team faced at least 5 dangerous forwards.

Hurling is dying and Kilkenny are capitalising becasue they are the last remaining stonghold.

If anyone wants to prove me wrong, my suggestion is to stop with the heresay of 'any team any era' and show me a team like the ones I've mentioned above that Kilkenny have beat and have 6 dangerous forwards.

The Galway team of 07 had six scoring forwards, their defence let them down that day..Cork 2006 had Kenny, the two O'Connor's, Deane, Corcoran and Niall Mc Carthy at his peak..plus Gardiner able to score from half back..Also, by your rationale the Clare team that dominated the mid to late 90's must have been the worst team of all time to win the championship, they barely had one forward, and would have beaten Kilkenny, Tipp etc..all with the marquis forwards you mention.

[Exile]

Slightly harsh there Red..i'm sure even you must concede that the team is up there with the greats..

I don't agree. They're the best of a bad lot cause hurling is dying.
Name a team that kk beat in the last 5 years that have 6 good forward? - you'll find you'd be pushed to get as far as 4.

Now look at an earlier era - e.g. late 80's early 90's.
Tipp had forwards like Declan Ryan, John Leahy, Pat Fox, Cormac Bonnar, Nicky English, cork had some Big men like Ger Fitzgerald, Mark Foley, Anthony O'Sullivan, Thomas Mulcahy, Kevin Hennessy, John Fitzgibbon. Look at the kilkeeny team that camo on then in 92-93 John Power, DJ Carey, Fennelly, Delaney & Co.

Each team faced at least 5 dangerous forwards.

Hurling is dying and Kilkenny are capitalising becasue they are the last remaining stonghold.

If anyone wants to prove me wrong, my suggestion is to stop with the heresay of 'any team any era' and show me a team like the ones I've mentioned above that Kilkenny have beat and have 6 dangerous forwards.

Hurling is probably the fastest growing sport in Dublin today. Go to any GAA pitch in the city (where half the country's population lives, remember) on a Saturday morning, look at the sheer number of kids playing hurling, and tell me the game is dying. Or provide some statisstics to back up your assertion. Or just take your subjective experience of Cork city, and use it to explain the fate of all inter-county teams in an entire era. Whichever suits yourself.

[RedRebel]

What a bunch of boring nonsense replies.

All I asked was to name a team that Kilkenny have beaten that have 6 dangerous forwards?

Can anyone do that???

And whatever idiot mentioned Galway ; They have ONE dangerous forward and 1 good one; thats it!

I'll say it again. best of a bad lot!

[stevehoyne09]

so you tell us then! who the greatest team has been, has to be some team????????

[Maor Uisce]

What a bunch of boring nonsense replies.

All I asked was to name a team that Kilkenny have beaten that have 6 dangerous forwards?

Can anyone do that???

And whatever idiot mentioned Galway ; They have ONE dangerous forward and 1 good one; thats it!

I'll say it again. best of a bad lot!

Hey..easy on the name calling.. ..First of all I said Galway in 2007, when Joe Canning didn't play, and were only a Noel Hickey flick of a hurl from winning that match..also I see you choose to ignore my Cork reference..do you not rate that team either?

[LORY1]

The standard in last year's final was the best ever in an All Ireland final.
The losing team alone had 4 outstanding forwards in Kelly/MC Grath/Corbett/Callinan and two very decent wing forwards in Kerwick and O' Brien.

FFS I mean compare the only two four in a rows completed and tell me honestly which team had it harder.
Could you even off the top of your head name one outstanding forward from the 4 teams Cork beat in All Ireland finals 41-44??
You're just a broken record at this stage, the standard of inter county hurling has never been higher.
On your bike.

[leinsterman]

What a bunch of boring nonsense replies.

All I asked was to name a team that Kilkenny have beaten that have 6 dangerous forwards?

Can anyone do that???

And whatever idiot mentioned Galway ; They have ONE dangerous forward and 1 good one; thats it!

I'll say it again. best of a bad lot!

as a offalyman kilkenny bet us in 2000 hurling final, we had a good foward line
10. johnny dooley 11. john troy 12. michael duignan
13. billy dooley 14.joe dooley 15.gary hanniffy
we bet cork in the semil-final who were all ireland winners in 1999 , as dickie murphy rob us in the 1999 semil-final. so to say the cat's never bet a team with
six good forward's is rubbish. how did the teams they beat in the final get there
did the back's and midfield do all the scoring.

[Mercury]

Getting back to the point in question..... Cork have a very good chance of beating KK this weekend... escpecially if cody puts out the forwards that were out last weekend against Tip. And nothing on the bench. Also take into account that cork are gunning for thisd one, and i don't think that Cody cares...he seems to have an attitude i thought last sunday of let the players on the pitch work it out or suffer, lets see do they ahve any mettle tio dg it out...which none of them had....he may give them another go !

[aka rwac]

Red rebel - would disagree with you quite strongly. By what metric is hurling in Cork dying? Participation has never been higher, with most clubs I know, city & county, having large panels of kids to coach. That for me, corny as it is, is the main metric. I not being sanguine about where the senior Cork hurlers are at this stage, but for me the intercounty angle is only the cherry at the top of a very big pie. Counties like Wicklow, who are the poor relations at intercounty level, have a vibrant local GAA (perhaps too vibrant !) scene.

You then list supposed great Cork men of the past. Not wanting to have a pot at any of them in order to engage you on this, but Ger Fitzgerald (he who fluffed a pick up of a peno in the 86 final??) or Anthony O'Sullivan? I presume you mean the sub who came on in the Munster final of 1990 and scored a point, because baby Jesus (aka Tony Sull to non rebels) was never called Anthony! And re. Jerry O'Connor - is this the same Jerry whose foostering in midfield cost Newtown the game vs Ballyhale IMHO?

Cork have fine players now. KK currently have better. In particular KK have about 4 lads whose level of excellence will stand the test of time, a level on a par with most of the greats of the past I think. You can talk about what team of the past had 6 great forwards all you like - I doubt if any had, this current KK team included.

Cork to be within a score of KK on Sunday I think, and could shade it if, and not a big stretch to imagine this, the Cork half back line (sans marking a Shefflin and a Comerford) lord it on the KK puck out.

[stevehoyne09]

would only disagree with 1 thing there..the kk team that won 2 all irelands in 74 and 75 really had 6 great forwards
in the team..pat delaney,mick brennan,mick crotty,billy fitzpatrick,kieran purcell and eddie keher

[leinsterman]

would only disagree with 1 thing there..the kk team that won 2 all irelands in 74 and 75 really had 6 great forwards
in the team..pat delaney,mick brennan,mick crotty,billy fitzpatrick,kieran purcell and eddie keher

The 1982 and 83 side were not to bad richie ower,ger fennelly,kieran brennan
billy fitzpatrick big christy h and liam fennelly, harry ryan in 83 and mick brennan
played in 82 not a bad side either, or the 92 93 side had good fowards DJ carey
adrian ronan, pj delaney, power, liam fennelly, liam mccarthy, shiner brennan.
eammon morrisey, i never seen a kilkenny team with a bad forward line, iam looking at hurling this 30 year's.

[wexford exile]

Would agree with you Steve about the brilliant 70s team. And don't forget what Murt Brennan would have done at FF on that team save for his serious injury. Tom Walsh would have been hovering too.

[aka rwac]

Not trying to be picky or anything, or to get diverted into what I consider to be the side track of " 6 great forwards", but a more than a plausible case can be made that greatness awaited B.Fitzpatrick until the early 80s. His points against the wind in 83 were superb.

On the more substantive nature of Sunday's match, I was at the Cork vs Clare challenge game last Sat night in Fermoy. While I find some of D.Walsh's placements a bit puzzling, I'm coming around to the view that even now he knows at the back of his mind what team he wants. I was struck by the substitutions he made and the lads he left on until the end of what proved to be a feisty enough affair against what I would consider to be, maybe John Conlon apart, more or less the Clare c'ship team. The lads left on until the end were getting plenty of time to prove themselves, and more than a few of them showed me anyway that they either need more time or just won't make it.

I'm puzzled by Aisake. I made the point earlier that I find it hard to see how he'll make the grade this year, and yet his touch seemed way better last year (albeit at a low enough level), with less done, than now. Maybe a case of trying too hard or something.

[stevehoyne09]

ah yeah i understand what your sayin about billy fitzpatrick really coming to prominence in 82 & 83
but my point is as a (collective unit) they were 6 great forwards, not sayin individually ya know but
in fairness they nearly all were.

[stevehoyne09]

nice to dickie murphy is reffing the game on sunday.always had great time 4 him