Kilkenny v Tipperary - NHL 2010

[Saddam Hussein]

was in a few pubs after the match yesterday and i was really annoyed to hear so called "kk fans" slate so many of the players wit the usual "that lad is f*****g useless" and other stupid comments.it just showed me how i tink us kk ppl take our success for granted and easily forget the success,joy and great memories these lads have given us not just over the last 4yrs but 10 yrs or so.while i see most comments here are consrtructive critism and fair and kno it easy to get frustrated watchin like of willie odywer,fogarty and co. not performing to the high standards we expect,i tink ppl need to remember it is only early march and iv no doubt cody wil hav the lads finely tuned come championship time and we wont see the wides like kk had yesterday

[stevehoyne09]

i pretty much totally agree with all of what you've u said, but jesus willie dwyer is f*****g useles.

[Pangur]

Just to keep things in perspective, there was a time some years ago when it looked like Eddie Brennan mightn't make it to the very top, as he has done.

[leinsterman]

willie dwyer is around a few years now, does anyone know were the captain of the
under 21s that won the allireland in 08 is gone i think his name was james dowling
seen him hurl minor and under 21 again offaly and was a good one where has he gone, be better than dwyer or pj delaney in midfield.

[InishowenCat]

This is before we even devle into the psychological aspects of the Tipp/KK rivalry, whereby when all things are level, deep down in the darkest recesses of their souls, Kilkenny people know Tipperary are their superiors. Younger KK supporters wouldn't have an appreciation of this situation but older, more gnarled commentators might be able to fill them in.

No gnarled commentator seems to have told any Kilkenny player or team official since 1991. Young Tipp people, however, may understand whatever point you are trying to make.

[stevehoyne09]

a jimmy dowling is much to small leinsterman, definitely to small 4 midfield, actually i dont tink he was
gonna get a place on the starting 15 then,just tink he got the nod cos he was captain,its nothing
against jimmy cos i no the lad well but just dont tink he wud make the step up to that level..and on
sayin about eddie brennan that he nearly didn't make it..willie dwyer is definitely no eddie brennan!!
that's for sure!!.

[LORY1]

I think by "gnarled" he actually means dead, because the majority of those who lived as adults through Tipp's period of dominance over Kilkenny are in the graveyard.

[caresheff]

lads to be honest i tink our forwards may not do the business for us later in the year and god help us if sheff picks up an injury

[murt]

i pretty much totally agree with all of what you've u said, but jesus willie dwyer is f*****g useles.

A bit harsh. I was grumbling myself during and after the game but he looks a like a player who's confidence is shot. Struggles to lift the ball and strikes poorly but could well return to the form of some years ago. If i am remembering correctly, he was substituted in the first half v Limerick in the 2007 All Ireland with Richie Power coming. I can't recall if he was injured that day or not but has struggled since.

On the game itself, the Tipp lads can paint the result anyway that suits them but casting a colder eye across it, its clear that they have yet to find a half forward line capable of doing anything than acting the Cagney while the M Webster experiment has clearly failed. Eoin kelly's goal was top class but in Hugh Maloney, John O Brien and Benny Dunne they'll soon end up competing with Bus Eireann for passengers.

The Tipp backs were as good a they had to be against a Kilkenny forward line that never got going while two defenders at midfield were eventually going to falter against a quality player like Shane McGrath.

The result adds more to the Cork game after their humiliation in Nowlan Park last year.

No harm in sticking with John Mulhall, there are elements to his game that both delight and frustrate and the delights may well tilt the balance in his favour. Colin Fennelly deserves a go as well.

Arse boxing is alive and well in Tipp.

[Ber292007kk]

Just to keep things in perspective, there was a time some years ago when it looked like Eddie Brennan mightn't make it to the very top, as he has done.

I have seen W. O'Dwyer in minor and unde 21's and I thougt that he would make a good senior in time. I have seen him play only one really good game at senior and I think it was in a Leinster Final against Wexford. I hate when supporters critise their players. They are not real supporters. I would like those supporters give up their free time only to be insulted. Sometimes I really do not think that those supporters deserve to follow KK. Remember KK cannot win all the time. Please appreciate the good times we have thankful that you have such success over the last 40 years. A lot of that success goes to the great county board, coaches and Management and not forgetting the schools. Instead of moaning about this fellow played bad etc. etc. just realise that they cannot play well every day.

[Ber292007kk]

lads to be honest i tink our forwards may not do the business for us later in the year and god help us if sheff picks up an injury

I am tired hearing about how bad our forwards are. I have heard the same thing coming from some KK people about this time of year. I remember everyone saying that if DJ retired we would not win anything with the forwards we had. Look most counties would give their right handto have some of the forwards we have. When the chips are down kk find scorers. Look how many players scored iin the A1. KK have mid-fielders and some defenders that can score. At this time of year none of the players have a lot of training under their belt. King Henry is the engine of any KK team but I am sure if he was injured some of the Senior players would take up the mantle. One of the good things that came out of Sunday's game is that KK will now know that they can be beaten.

[murt]

Just to keep things in perspective, there was a time some years ago when it looked like Eddie Brennan mightn't make it to the very top, as he has done.

I have seen W. O'Dwyer in minor and unde 21's and I thougt that he would make a good senior in time. I have seen him play only one really good game at senior and I think it was in a Leinster Final against Wexford. I hate when supporters critise their players. They are not real supporters. I would like those supporters give up their free time only to be insulted. Sometimes I really do not think that those supporters deserve to follow KK. Remember KK cannot win all the time. Please appreciate the good times we have thankful that you have such success over the last 40 years. A lot of that success goes to the great county board, coaches and Management and not forgetting the schools. Instead of moaning about this fellow played bad etc. etc. just realise that they cannot play well every day.

Ber, we're not in north Korea. This is a discussion board dedicated to kilkenny hurling. Posters have every right to express their opinions about games. Once the comment is fair and adheres to the rules of the site, then I can't see any problem with it.

[Pangur]

Just to keep things in perspective, there was a time some years ago when it looked like Eddie Brennan mightn't make it to the very top, as he has done.

I have seen W. O'Dwyer in minor and unde 21's and I thougt that he would make a good senior in time. I have seen him play only one really good game at senior and I think it was in a Leinster Final against Wexford. I hate when supporters critise their players. They are not real supporters. I would like those supporters give up their free time only to be insulted. Sometimes I really do not think that those supporters deserve to follow KK. Remember KK cannot win all the time. Please appreciate the good times we have thankful that you have such success over the last 40 years. A lot of that success goes to the great county board, coaches and Management and not forgetting the schools. Instead of moaning about this fellow played bad etc. etc. just realise that they cannot play well every day.

How do you figure that I was criticizing our players?

[Clonliffe Cat]

A bit harsh. I was grumbling myself during and after the game but he looks a like a player who's confidence is shot. Struggles to lift the ball and strikes poorly but could well return to the form of some years ago. If i am remembering correctly, he was substituted in the first half v Limerick in the 2007 All Ireland with Richie Power coming. I can't recall if he was injured that day or not but has struggled since.

My recollection was that he had impressed greatly in the Leinster final that Ber is on about against Wexford that year, but that he had a poor game on final day.

I think people should remember that in March even a former hurler of the year can look mortal. Far too much introspection going on! With the Shamrocks lads not back until the Galway game probably, there is plenty of scope to try out forwards in the Cork and Dublin games which will both be big tests. Personally I'd like to see Pat Hartley and Paddy Hogan get runs in the half forward line to see how they go.

[fort stranger1]

When I saw Codys reaction to being pushed by Sheedy I remembered the saying "If big men were contrary there would be no small men"

[thefenians]

In fairness to the fowards yesterday none of them would be considered lead men. However if Henry, Eddie and Richie were playing I think anyone of the players yesterday would play well along side these 3. Saying Hogan is not good enough to me is ridiculous when he scored 1-10 in the NHL Final last year and scored a few great points while playing on a bad ankle in the All-Ireland. The strenghth of this team is its depth but without their lead players the rest will struggle as would any team. Some will never be lead players and some are a bit green yet. If Henry, Richie or Eddie were playing yesterday and provided the leadership needed I think the lads yesterday would have done what they have been doing the last few years.

[KilkennyRocks]

was in a few pubs after the match yesterday and i was really annoyed to hear so called "kk fans" slate so many of the players wit the usual "that lad is f*****g useless" and other stupid comments.

This really annoys me too...these men are absolute heroes and legends!!
it's the league, it's March they're bound to be a bit rusty...(I'd love to see the fella's slatin them do any better..)
They've made everyone from Kilkenny so proud over the years and in my opinion win, lose or draw they are and always will be The Greatest!!
Whatever happens we can hold our heads high and say..Yea I was there, I seen King Henry, Eddie Brennan, Richie Power,Tommy Walsh...the list goes on...

Everyone knows that this team will go down as the greatest in history!!

[stevehoyne09]

here the f*****g site is here 4 us to give our opinions ok! just cos we slate 1 player doesn't
mean we dont appreciate what these special bunch of players has done over the last 10yrs
we owe these players nothing and they have givin us absolutely brilliant memories over that
period and countless wonderful performances..not genuine or real supporters your having
a f*****g laugh..in the last 10yrs iv been over at training hundreds and hundreds of times
have gone to league matches in cork,limerick,galway,clare all over the place,walsh cup
mathes out in freshford in the pissin rain,f*****g since the quarter final again galway in thurles in 97
i could count on 1 hand how many championship games i have missed..so dont goin sayin im not
a real supporter or dont appreciate what they have done 4 this county just cos i tink 1 of the
players is useless..ya dunno what your talking about!.

[G@@]

Beer rant??

[Proud to be a cat!]

I really wouln't be too worried about Tipp winning last Sunday, I hope that win will go to their heads.
We had a good few wides, our backs were very good,our mid field players are normally backs, our forwards were not at the races and we probably wont be seeing the same 6 starting again come Summer time when it really matters and we still only lost the match by 4 points.

Sheedy made a show of himself and will regret it, considering the match was free, alot of people brought children with them.
Cody- fair play for keeping the head, this will not be forgotten by anyone!!!! But hopefully we will get the chance to play them again in the Summer when it matters and we will get revenge of the shoving on the score board.

Any news on Richie Hogan, does he have a bone broke?

Think we need more forwards in the subs,any idea's who could be added?

I agree Willie didnt play well (as many more didnt either) last Sunday but I thought the chap was really going well in training coming up to last year's AI.

It will be interesting to see the starting 15 against Cork, this game is live on TG4 for anyone not going.